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Sunday, July 30, 2006

Low Sidebar

These are my rote instructions when sidebar nosedives happen, which mostly occur in the Internet Explorer browser. I don't know that it happens very much in Firefox, but I know other horror stories about Firefox, so don't get too excited about how your browser is better than mine!

But, on to our problem! Sometimes it's simple, sometimes not.

  • Your sidebar may be going to the bottom because your server is crazy due to being worked on by Blogger. Your sidebar doesn't begin at the top like it's supposed to.
  • Wrong code or missing pieces of code sometimes cause this kind of jump or aberration.
  • It is probable you'll have to get out of Compose mode and enter Html mode in order to see wrong code in the posts.
  • It is possible you have posted too large a photo or too long a link. Change that and it might go back to the top of the page. Look for a misstated IMG code.
  • Possibly your main column width and sidebar exceed allowable Content width or header width.
  • Sometimes one of the "floats" in the template will get changed for some reason and be wrong. Investigate. Options are "left", "right", and "none".
  • If you suspect it may be caused by something in a particular post, you could Save as Draft to remove it temporarily and see if it was the cause. Then you can Publish it again later to put it back in place.
  • Also, sometimes I've found it to be caused by just getting some wrong or missing code in the template or in a recent post. You might have one tag or symbol too many or too few. If you've deleted some things, maybe you left one little piece of nonsense code behind that's confusing the template.
  • Once it was caused in a friend's site by a -->, the closing tag for hiding a comment; it had no start tag, was just wrongly there!

Play Sherlock Holmes and test some changes without saving them until you use Preview and see that the change works and does no harm. It's hard, but I don't know any easy way.

To test posts one at a time, use the Permalink feature; if you click on the Post Title, your site will show only that one post. When you keep doing the blog like that, you MAY find a single post that pushes the sidebar down and that post will be the cause of your trouble. In other cases, of course, the trouble is coming from the sidebar and you just have to figure it out.

To hear all this put another way, go to Peter's post about it or Chuck's post.

41 comments:

  1. Thanks for all the work you've put into this blog. It has been very helpful for me in solving my low sidebar problem.

    FWIW the problems for me seemed to stem from having too many letters in an < em> tag. It didn't like "Monty Python's Life of Brian" which is only 28 chars but theere you go.

    Thought you might be interested to know.

    Kind regards

    Matt Page

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  2. My side bar was pushed to the bottom in IE but looked fine in Firefox. Thanks to this article I did a line by line inspection and found a /div tag in the second line of the Begin #main section. Removing this tag fixed the problem. Not an easy job.
    Thanks for pointing out the way

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  3. Thanks for all this help!Blogger should pay you— their Help?? pages are just plain confusing. Up and running in 5 minutes? Ya, right. I had a sinking sidebar caused by an over extended dash line.(my own creation) Looked fine in preview, sunk in publish. Took me awhile to figure it out and related it to the big photo issue.

    Without your Stickies, I would still be stuck!

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  4. Thanks for your words!

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  5. nice. it was float tag problem. hooray! thanks.

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  6. Not a bad picture. Rather foxy, in fact. Well, you picked it, not me! No insult meant! We'll love you even if you get in a terrible car accident.

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  7. Nice site bu tye way Ron.

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  8. Hiya. This looks like a fab site and I do appear to have this problem (right hand side is pushed to bottom of blog). however I removed the last post and it just extended the margin for the previous one instead. I don't do anything other than type in words, so I don't know what is causing it. I also don't understand all the em tag things. How do I fix it?
    www.belindanicholls.blogspot.com

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  9. Ron - thanks for the explanation. It appears to have worked (sort of). My side bar is up where it should be, but there is still a "step" to the margins. I'm not bothered though. Thanks for helping me out, very appreciated.

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  10. Thanks Ron, I had a stray unclosed < div > in a post - you've saved my sanity :)

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  11. That's good; sanity should be preserved, if it doesn't cost too much!

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  12. WOW, guys... I love internet! You can find help in a minute (after becoming mad).
    I'm writing from Italy. I didn't find the solution in your text, Ron, but it gave me the start.
    So, I have one "trick" more for you. My problem with the bloody sidebar moving on the bottom was posting by email with the "#end". I guess that not everyone has this problem. But, pay attention over there: on my server, #end is a command to put the sidebar on the bottom of the blog (if you want, it's a fast way to do it, without modify the template!).
    Thank you guys, over there! :)

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  13. I have been reading "helps" for the past hour trying to figure out how to get the sidebar in my blog to go back up to the side where it's supposed to be instead of at the bottom. It's a blog work in progress so looks a bit messy right now with all the posts on one page, etc. In the "Page Elements" section, I added a "list" to the sidebar. Instead of each sentence wrapping under each other, it just keeps going, making the sidebar push to the bottom. In another blog the lists look just fine without pushing the sidebar down. I don't really understand html and xhtml, and all that so scrolling through the template looking for extra or deleted tags won't help me. I have no idea what I'm looking at, or looking for. Is there someone out there who is more knowledgable than I am, who could take a look at my blog and tell me what's causing the list in "Add Elements" to not work properly? Thank you for your help! Go to dsgranttest.blogspot.com (not the blog I'm currently posting with).
    Sarah

    Again my blog is: http://dsgranttest.blogspot.com

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  14. Sarah and Derek: I looked at your site and it looks fine in my IE6. Did you fix it already or do the electrons work better here in Texas? Let me know.

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  15. Hi again,

    I checked the site and on my end the sidebar is still at the bottom. Did you go to the "test" site? Not my original site? It's located at dsgranttest.blogspot.com (the title of the site should say "test ministy")
    I'm working on a different site, which is where I am having some problems. I appreciate your help. Let me know if it still looks fine on your end? Thank you!

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  16. Yes, it does still look fine. And it the "test" that I am looking at. Is that right? How's the sidebar in your "real" or original blog? I don't mind this going on for a while, but if we need to, try emailing me at ratsouthern@gmail. com It will be easier, I think.

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  17. Thank you so much Ron. You gave me the perfect solution to my problem - it was just a link that much too long. Once I removed the link the sidebar was normal again.

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  18. Hi Ron

    Thanks for all the work you've done. I should have come here first before going nuts deleting entries that thought were casuing the sidebar sinking.

    After coming here, and doing some detective work it was caused by a link that blogger seemed to think was ok when I published but was in fact looking as if the text was of infinate length.

    So after destroying a lot of postings, one tiny tweak fixed everything. This problem only showed up in Micro$oft IE

    I'll know next time

    Thanks again

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  19. Ron,

    Thanks for helping my sidebar come up out of its nosedive. The info on your blog solved my sunken sidebar problem. (It was a "SPAN" string at the very end of a single recent post -- and I should have known, because before I published the post I got the warning "your HTML tag cannot be accepted..." I've been blowing off those warnings for years and publishing anyway, but I won't do that again.)

    My sidebar sunk only in Firefox. The sidebar stayed in its place in AOL and Internet Explorer.

    So glad to discover your site. Great work. I told my blog readers you'd help fix the sidebar problem, and you did. Many thanks.

    "Chigger, Texas." I love it.

    Lori Hein
    www.lorihein.com
    http://ribbonsofhighway.blogspot.com

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  20. Thank you! I hope I found it finally. I hope it was this only one tag, a closing < slash a > tag of a link... It worked, when I clicked through the posts... Kind regards, Sybil

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  21. Thank you! It was a tag!

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  22. this really is a great blog you have here. i have been browsing through trying and checking and can't seem to figure out what's wrong with mine. it kind of happened out of nowhere. i have even made the main wrapper wider to accommodate the wider side bar and posting area. so everything is wider and i left like 30 or 40 pixels to play with. i've tried putting it back to default, i've tried getting rid of some of my content - nothing works. i'm stumped. if you have any ideas, i'd greatly appreciate!

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  23. Which of your blogs are you wrestling with?

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  24. Jason: contact me by email. If you were talking about moods, the glitch seems to occur in the 3rd post, the "Prints of My Work Available". Perhaps the code for the image display is causing something.

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  25. hi there, i tried this but this not fully worked.

    Hi there,
    i tried what it is said in the blog you indicate.

    i discovered that the problem comes from new posts after i changed from Rounders to Denim Template.


    I saved them to Draft and reloaded the Denim template on google
    templates page.


    However, the problem persists whenever i publish again the post.


    moreover i took again the post to draft and created a new one with no images, no linkes just "test" on title and "test" on body.
    The problem showed up again.


    moreover, i observed that the post footer appears "Centred" when it is suppossed to be aligned to right.


    so the problem seems to happen with template for new posts. how can I fix that?

    blog address is :

    http://moviles20.blogspot.com

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  26. Maybe you should email me. I don't see anything wrong--the sidebar is present and in the right position, so it might be your computer or I am just not imaginative enough to guess what your circumstances are.

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  27. Thanks for the great site, it is very helpful.

    I have this problem as well and did some investigating. I found that when I went to my HTML, all of a sudden there is extra code that wasn't there before. Example -
    Under #main-wrapper this is new:
    display: inline; /* fix for doubling margin in IE */
    word-wrap: break-word; /* fix for long text breaking sidebar float in IE */
    overflow: hidden; /* fix for long non-text content breaking IE sidebar float

    It's also under #sidebar-wrapper. I would think that is my problem, but don't want to mess up my site further by removing this code. What should I do?

    Thanks!

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  28. Kashrut: Better leave the code be! It's similar to the code in other templates and I doubt there's any harm in it.

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  29. Really? ok, but it wasn't there before my sidebar messed up. I'll try a few other things, hopefully they will work. Thanks much!

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  30. You never said HOW exactley something was messed up! Any detail you could give? Your site looks normal to m3 in IE and in Firefox.

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  31. It was messed up by the sidebar being at the bottom. I think I have fixed it now. I had saved a copy the template a couple of weeks ago, so I re-uploaded that and it fixed the error, but of course did away with all of my widgets and coding. I am in the process of re-adding all of those again. Sometimes the sidebar goes back to the bottom, but I keep playing with the code in order to fix it. Thanks so much for your help!

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  32. Sounds like you're on top of it even when the sidebar is not!

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  33. thanks for the tips sir. im from india. do visit my blog
    http://masterandstudent.blogspot.com

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  34. My email address is in my sidebar if you need to tell me more. I can't easily see your problem by just looking, though sometimes one can tell that easily! If I were you, I'd experiment with changing the width of the sidebar or of the posts and see if the change makes it worse or better. You shouldn't save it right away, just Preview it and see. There's a button that will "undo" the changes if you refrain from saving them and then you can back out of the template until you can think of some other idea. I may try to tell more about it with some tests, so feel free to check back with me by email.

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  35. Thanks for your response.

    I found the culprit by changing the formatting so I could see one blog per page (see which blog had the sidebar on the bottom). I then reloaded a picture on one page and changed links to uploaded links on another and it worked.

    I appreciate the help offered here and elsewhere!

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  36. Glad you found the problem. I went through and looked for any problem with the various widths and paddings, but that wasn't it!

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  37. your advice totally helped me fix my layout! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!

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  38. All is well (one hopes)!

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  39. ohh my God thank you! thank you! am so not a friend of technplogy nor html or error codes and what not but with your help i finally got my blog back to normal i found out that myside bar ended up on the lower rightside because i had postes a youtube video that probably has a messed up html, any way once again thank you your mucho more helpful that that blogger help

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